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I'm sorry parts of the article rubbed you the wrong way. I don't think kids are inherently dumb or ignorant, and I think you've misread some of what I said to take that away from it. As seen from the intro and epilogue here, I vividly remember being twelve years old, and at that time I was out here making my own website and being frustrated about other websites with false information. I wasn't dumb or ignorant, and I don't think other kids are, either - but I was twelve, and as an adult you're always going to look back at some things you did or wrote when you were twelve and think they were clumsy, misguided or a bit silly, one way or another. That's natural and it doesn't mean twelve-year-olds are dumb - it just means that with a couple more decades of practice and experience and personal growth you would definitely do and say things a bit differently. (For example, today I think listing off how I "hate" websites that do this and that was a bit unnecessarily rude and combative towards the other kids who owned these other websites, and that I could have explained each item better and more constructively - that's what I mean when I say it was clumsy and very twelve-year-old.)
Please also note that when I talk about the hallmarks of being written by kids, I'm not talking about teens your age, who are obviously perfectly capable of being organized and articulate - TheScythe's account, which I named as the more mature contrast to those older descriptions, was written when she was twelve! I'm talking about younger kids there, and there really are developmental reasons young kids tend to not explain things super well - being able to think from the perspective of another person, anticipate what might trip them up in an explanation, and then adjust the explanation accordingly to be clear and easy to follow is pretty complex, and kids develop that ability slowly over time and with experience. That's, again, perfectly normal and it doesn't mean kids are dumb or can't think intelligent thoughts - it's a specific skill that is learned and refined during childhood.
Adults can definitely also be inarticulate or poor spellers or be bad at explaining, and I don't think I implied otherwise - but it would be silly to say there's no such thing as reading a message posted online and getting the sense that it was written by a kid, which is the sense that I get here (and again, I'm talking younger kid here). Obviously merely getting that sense isn't proof that it couldn't have been an adult - but this is being discussed specifically in the context of whether it's likely the Mew trick was first spread by not just any kind of adult, but by a programmer who had read and understood the game code. Programming as a discipline is all about the ability to think in an organized manner, write out clear and unambiguous instructions, and communicate precisely about things - it's at least very difficult to imagine an adult professional programmer writing these posts. Combine this with the fact this was 2003, when the vast, vast majority of Pokémon players were younger, and I think the obvious, natural conclusion here is that these were probably kids, no? And there's no shame in that - in fact, I specifically think it's cool that it was probably kids who first discovered and spread this! Kids are smart, and that's why a good chunk of the article is dedicated to arguing why it's perfectly possible that they could have not only stumbled upon this trick independently but also then replicated it to work out the steps and then been the first ones to write it up.
What those younger kids probably couldn't do, on the other hand, is understand how the trick worked. That's also perfectly natural and does not mean they were dumb: they just obviously would not have known much about the inner workings of the game or what was actually going on, and they would naturally have mostly stuck with what they knew worked, there in the early days.
I don't think I wrote anything here that would imply adults couldn't have accidentally stumbled upon the glitch and not thought twice about it, which they obviously could have; I talk about kids doing that simply because it was mostly kids playing these games at that time! I'm specifically contrasting the possibility that these millions of kids discovered the trick all on their own against the idea that the trick must have somehow originated from an adult with an understanding of the game code - and the side I'm taking is that the kids totally could have found it all on their own, and that the evidence suggests that is what happened. The intent of the article is to celebrate those kids, and to highlight how there were kids who had found out how to get Mew for real while every Pokémon-playing adult (and even other cynical kids like me who'd been burned by so many fake cheats) would've dismissed it as total nonsense.
Obviously some of the phrasing here struck you as condescending, though, and I'm not dismissing that. I definitely don't want kids or teens reading to feel talked down to here, even if the article will necessarily have to discuss why I think it looks like the trick was found by kids. I'll see about how I can tweak it. I'm sorry it came off so wrong for you!
Ok… first off, this glitch is crazy and cool to know about, so thanks for making this article thing to let more people know about it.
But can i just say somehing? This is very unrelated to the mew glitch, but I really hate how you kept saying things along the lines of "kids with no capacity for awareness" or "clumsy kids", and acting like kids are just stupid little clueless idiots who can barely think intelligent thoughts. You kept saying things that made it sound like you think kids could never possibly figure something out on their own, which I really hate. And also, when you were talking about how grammatically incorrect and childish-sounding one of the original mew glitch posts was, you automatically assumed a child had made the post. You do realize that MANY adults or young adults often are gramatically incorrect when posting online and may sound a bit childish? You do realize that MANY adults might accidentally stumble across this glitch and not think twice about what's behind it? As a 13 y/o "child" who does NOT have the IQ of a rock, I found all of this very insulting and rude. Not all - no, MOST kids aren't dumb and ignorant, you know, and it's very rude for you to say things that make it sound like we all are.
Adults can overlook things, too. Adults can be ignorant. Adults can sound childish online, because that's just how they type.
Who knows, maybe it was all kids who discovered the glitch and made the posts. But I still just hate how you're making us sound stupid and beneath you.
I'm sorry, i didn't mean to rant, and this is very irrelevant to the mew thing, but while reading this I was just getting very pissed and needed to say something.
The List Generator doesn't include Z-A's Lumiose or Hyperspace Dexes as order options.
What a great website, its great to see amazing websites are still around!!!
this whole idea is incredibly cool! its amazing that you thought of all this!
The Gen IV locations page for Iron Island (B3F) incorrectly says that the 20% Steelix slot turns into Onix during a swarm in Platinum.
I've always wanted to know more about this mechanic, as I carry mine around with me daily… it always seemed like random luck. Thank you so much!
Cool site, helped me know how many balls to purchase.
This calculator is cool!
what a cool website, thank you for hosting it <:) i hope 2027 is kind to you and your family
I've finally got around to using my Pokéwalker in the last month or so, and through trial and error it looks like I had mostly figured out the correct course of action, but it's superb that you've created this guide, and I can check back here if I get a little confused. Thank you very much!
i like this comment for one reason mainly:
you're not JUST saying its good or bad.
you're giving EVIDENCE!
Mines pretty cool, i like venonat and tapu lele
Thank you for giving a way to keep using the shiny Umbreon style! It was always my favorite.
religious fanatics are the worst. my condolences to people who have religious fanatics as their parents…
Trying to catch Shadow Electabuzz in a Luxury Ball, calc says 62.424% with para. wish me luck
Wandered here from your other amazing pages and really loved what I found! I usually prefer when Pokemon don't talk but your story really used it well. The ending is gonna stick with me definitely.
This was very interesting and informative. Thank you for sharing your experiments with us!
Thank you so much for taking the time writing this page and all the other articles you have on this website. This has pretty much become my go-to resource for whenever I'm looking for in-depth information on these games.
Umm, just some world-building stuff. Also, I don’t really know how to write my battles. I’ll link a doc filled with my ideas. Thank you for responding. 🙂 https://docs.google.com/document/d/13_7J2IB1TqomDSWY_VgpGr8e2D_axqkqJoY0pWf_Fhc/edit?usp=drivesdk
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